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Old Mar 19, 2006, 05:54 PM // 17:54   #21
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Actually, you promised to pay, and he promised to run. He did half the work, and you paid him half. I wouldn't start a thread about this. It's a done deal. You got what you paid for.
no, you are wrong

he paid for a complete run. how much is a halfway job when the screen says mission failed go do it again?

he paid for someone to do the work for him.

he did not pay for the right to do the work himself while the workman stands on the sidelines and watches the person paying do his job.

he did not get what he paid for.

at that rate the so called runner should have paid his customers
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Old Mar 19, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38   #22
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"Next, I die, and watch him as he runs to the beach. Before we bagan, he ASSURED me he could tank the beach and survive, so I trusted him. I couldn't be MORE wrong. He got to the beach, and immediatly gets swamped and died within seconds. He was like "sorries guyz, i messed up". Anyway, we respawn back at the outpost. By now, three of the other members of the team he was running just left. He's like "go again guyz?". Me and the remaining members say "Sure". If he was a good runner, we assumed he would give us some sort of discount for the fail. Anyway, he got a few more people to fill up the rest of the team, and began again. The second run was just as bad as the first. I died early, so I had a chance to watch him this time. He was TERRIBLE. He was such a bad runner... He didn't even take Balanced Stance or Charge with him. He kept constantly dying and getting stuck. Luckily, there was a ranger who was next to him who kept reviving him and healing him, and helping him get "unstuck". The ranger was just another random guys like me who was paying for the run. He BARELY makes it to the cutscene."

Actually i died while running to the boat which was completely summoned, if you would have asked me i would have given you the run for half or free, i made that deal with the person in slot one. I died once the second time (stuck against wall and hounds) ranger never healed (R/Me)

"(stupid runner didn't help, just stood around most of the time). When we finally get to the beach, he runs ahead trying again to "tank" it. Needless to say, he quickly get's swamped... AGAIN! He had crappy armor, and not even any good skills required to sucsessfully tank. So, me and this other guy who was in the party (me him, and the runner where the only ones still alive) quickly run up to the beach to meet him, and help him. Me and this guy fight and lead all the enemies away from ----- (the runner). Meanwhile, ----- just stands there doing nothing. Another second, and he would have been dead. We do like 99% of the work. Finally, the NPC summons the ship, and we run on."

I had 0 into axe mastery, i never died there (beach), you five ran to kill them, seeing me do 1-2 dmg i was waiting for either all of you die so i could tank or move back like i requested. I have Droks armor, you can't get better than that for defense, (Screen Shots if you would like). Weren't you the one asking about how you tank this mission and what skills to use??? I had no axe mastery, sword mastery, nor bow mastery. 1-2 dmg wasnt going to do much. I never got even close to dying there on the second mission.

Edit: Also, PLEASE note that he is spelling what I said very badly, butchering it even, I do know how to spell "have" and I have better grammer than "we hadn't help lead them away"

Also I was going to give him his money back but he refused, saying "keep it"

"After the cutscene, we end up in the Oasis. Everyone is very well pissed. Then, ----- demands payment. He calls me a scammer for not paying, I call him a scammer for not being able to run a mission that he initially promised. And he's like "you idiot scammer!!", and keeps constantly insulting me. As we were arguing, I mentioned how many times we had to help him, including the last time we had to help him complete the mission on the beach, all he kept saying to me "i told u not 2 help on the beach! i told u!", and all I said was, "Dude, you suck. You died the first time on the beach, and you were gonna die again if we hadn't help lead them away". And he said "i could hav done it by myself!", and I just laughed "lol. Besides, it's funny how you only told me not to help you AFTER I died on the beach, and the mission was pretty much in the bag""


First, I don't think anyone was "pissed" at all except for you, most of them happily opened trade and said thank you. And you WEREN'T insulting me either? You do know theres more ppl in the party than YOU to talk to, right? Actually you died rather early into it at just the first group.
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Old Mar 19, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58   #23
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He's not a scammer neither are u he's just a wanabee runner
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Old Mar 19, 2006, 07:11 PM // 19:11   #24
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He's not a scammer neither are u he's just a wanabee runner
i agree couldnt have said it better myself
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Old Mar 19, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27   #25
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Neither of you are scammers.

A scammer won't go through that much effort just to get 1k.
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Old Mar 19, 2006, 08:09 PM // 20:09   #26
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How could I have scammed if I didn't get the money?
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Old Mar 20, 2006, 04:47 AM // 04:47   #27
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Actually i died while running to the boat which was completely summoned,
Firstly, you didn't die "running" to the boat, you died almost instantly when you got to the beach as the first mob began to swamp you. I remember.

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if you would have asked me i would have given you the run for half or free, i made that deal with the person in slot one.
Funny, because I DID ask you for a discount, and you refused. When I said it's customary for runners to give discounts if they fail, all you said was "well that's not how I do it, now pay up!".

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I died once the second time (stuck against wall and hounds) ranger never healed (R/Me)
I remember you dying twice on the second run. Once earlier on, and a second time later. I think there was another Monk who revived you the first time, and the ranger used his Res sig the second time you died. And I can remember more than one instance where you got "stuck" and the ranger had to help you.

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I had 0 into axe mastery, i never died there (beach), you five ran to kill them, seeing me do 1-2 dmg i was waiting for either all of you die so i could tank or move back like i requested. I have Droks armor, you can't get better than that for defense, (Screen Shots if you would like). Weren't you the one asking about how you tank this mission and what skills to use??? I had no axe mastery, sword mastery, nor bow mastery. 1-2 dmg wasnt going to do much. I never got even close to dying there on the second mission.
On the first run, you DID die on the beach very easily. I assumed you would change some of your skills or attributes on the second run so you could sucessfully tank it, yet, you got swamped again on the second run, and your health dropped very low by the time the rest of us ran onto the beach to help you. And I'm pretty sure you would have died (just like on the first run) if we hadn't have helped you.

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Edit: Also, PLEASE note that he is spelling what I said very badly, butchering it even, I do know how to spell "have" and I have better grammer than "we hadn't help lead them away"
I remember quite a few times where you spelled that way. I may have over-exaggerated it a bit in my first post, however, you still spoke like that.

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Also I was going to give him his money back but he refused, saying "keep it"
You only offered a refund after your FIRST failed run. After I said "keep it", I meant keep it as payment for the end of the second run. However, you obviously took it as I meant for you to keep it for no reason. Why on earth would I give you 500g for a failed run?

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First, I don't think anyone was "pissed" at all except for you, most of them happily opened trade and said thank you. And you WEREN'T insulting me either?
I pretty much remember you were the one who was insulting me the whole time, calling me an "idiot", a "scammer", a "retard", and other stuff like "how old r u? 9? 7?" If I remember correctly, I only called you an "idiot" once near the end of the argument. Before that, I was trying to be calm and rational as you kept insulting me.

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You do know theres more ppl in the party than YOU to talk to, right? Actually you died rather early into it at just the first group.
No, I didn't. I died early in the second run, but not the first.
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Old Mar 20, 2006, 05:21 AM // 05:21   #28
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lol this is pretty funny, this is why i dont pay ppl to run missions for me, i just get my guildies to do it.
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Old Mar 20, 2006, 08:10 AM // 08:10   #29
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this is better than Days of Our Lives

*takes out the popcorn*
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Old Mar 20, 2006, 09:23 AM // 09:23   #30
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Love the post - haven't laughed so much since my five year old had a paddy when he lost his toys!
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Old Mar 20, 2006, 09:44 AM // 09:44   #31
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when a runner dies in a, as you point it out, n00bish way i leave.

imho you should have done that after the first death of the runner and get a decent one. you wasted your time trying to make the world a better place.

i think that droks is the only run where i can accept a couple of rundeaths since it's very hard and a bit spawn-dependable.
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Old Mar 20, 2006, 01:06 PM // 13:06   #32
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Firstly, you didn't die "running" to the boat, you died almost instantly when you got to the beach as the first mob began to swamp you. I remember.



Funny, because I DID ask you for a discount, and you refused. When I said it's customary for runners to give discounts if they fail, all you said was "well that's not how I do it, now pay up!".



I remember you dying twice on the second run. Once earlier on, and a second time later. I think there was another Monk who revived you the first time, and the ranger used his Res sig the second time you died. And I can remember more than one instance where you got "stuck" and the ranger had to help you.



On the first run, you DID die on the beach very easily. I assumed you would change some of your skills or attributes on the second run so you could sucessfully tank it, yet, you got swamped again on the second run, and your health dropped very low by the time the rest of us ran onto the beach to help you. And I'm pretty sure you would have died (just like on the first run) if we hadn't have helped you.



I remember quite a few times where you spelled that way. I may have over-exaggerated it a bit in my first post, however, you still spoke like that.



You only offered a refund after your FIRST failed run. After I said "keep it", I meant keep it as payment for the end of the second run. However, you obviously took it as I meant for you to keep it for no reason. Why on earth would I give you 500g for a failed run?



I pretty much remember you were the one who was insulting me the whole time, calling me an "idiot", a "scammer", a "retard", and other stuff like "how old r u? 9? 7?" If I remember correctly, I only called you an "idiot" once near the end of the argument. Before that, I was trying to be calm and rational as you kept insulting me.



No, I didn't. I died early in the second run, but not the first.
I died the first time while running to the summoned boat, I should know since I was doing it, searing heat got me while running and body blocked from most sides.

If you wanted a discount you should have asked earlier not when you were going to pay. Then it would have been granted.

The boat was completely summoned and I was trying to run to it

I did change my skillset but i never got even close to dying, hell, i didn't take 50 dmg on that run, seeing as all of you, agaist my wishes, ran to attack, which was fine by me because I was waiting for you to die or more to spawn so I could do what I was suppose to

You exaggerated way more than was needed. If you can tell from my posts I don't talk like that.

Many times when doing UW or FoW when everyone has payed and then have to leave, lost favor just before, or any other things, they just let you keep it.

Everyone MUST have died early on the first, seeing as I was the only person left when the boat was summoned and I was running to it.

Edit: Please tell me, why do you think Drok's Glad Armor with Knight's Boots is "crappy armor", or have you just never seen it? Would you have said that if I had FoW armor? I doubt it but it is just a waste of money for no extra boosts to anything

If you still don't like my armor, tell me what I SHOULD be using.

Oh, and I ignored you because of the constant insults.
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Old Mar 20, 2006, 01:31 PM // 13:31   #33
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You guys are both idiots for arguing about such a trivial matter, you all got to where you wanted to go in the end didn't you? Let it go...-_-

Well, all i can say is it just goes to show that not everyone is as honest as they portray.
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Old Mar 20, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53   #34
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Yes, I would really like to let it go, except for him trying to ruin my reputation and all.
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Old Mar 20, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47   #35
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This is turning into a lot of "He said / He Said". When all is said and done, no scamming went on here. You were willing to pay 1k to get to the desert, and you got there. You may have done more work than you had intended, but the end result is the same. It sounds like you had a few chances to decide whether the runner was qualified to continue the run, and you chose to stay with it. Hey, you even got some more experience than you would have by staying put.

Now, if you want to see what real scamming looks like...

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Scamming on your part would not be paying.

When im getting the run, i deduct money after each time he dies. Was doing an infusion run for 300 gp, the guy died twice...so i only gave him 150. Yes, not alot of money, but in bigger proportion, it would affect him.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. If you agree to this before hand, then fine, that's the "contract". If not, you are the scammer. What gives you the right to arbitrarily decide payment after it's been agreed?

"Let's see... I pulled aggro off him at the beginning, that's 25g per mob, so take off 75 gold. Oh, and he died once, deduct 75. He had to stop twice to heal, let's say 100 gold. And frankly, I could have seen a little more sprinting around those bodyblockers - 50 gold might teach him a lesson. Hey - free run!"

If you don't agree to discounts before the run, you are not entitled to apply them after it's begun. Sorry.
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Old Mar 20, 2006, 03:07 PM // 15:07   #36
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Thank you for finally posting on MY side, (not counting neutral), well its kind of neutral but at least it's not hate spam

I saw in a post once probably about a drok's scam, (sorry for taking the quote (paraphrased))

"Many people scam runners all day and no one cares, but when a runner scams its World War 3."

I could post a topic for every person who scammed me and you know what? I would probably get banned for spam, actually I'm sure I would be.
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Old Mar 20, 2006, 03:41 PM // 15:41   #37
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you are paying for a trip to the desert, if you could finally get to the dersert then the runner deserves to be paid. You cannot deny if it are without him, or without the group, you couldn't get to the desert. Now he leads a goup and saves your fighting time you already should pay him no matter if he sucks. I used to be a droknar runner and I sometimes needed help from other clients to sacrifice for me in order to complete the run and I didn't allow them to go suicide like an idiot.

In short, if someone could send you to the destination by any means then he doesn't suck and you should pay him.
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Old Mar 20, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55   #38
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You can't really call him a runner or a scammer. More like a half-whit who doesn't know shit.
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Old Mar 20, 2006, 04:12 PM // 16:12   #39
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In stead of avoiding a 30 minute argument. why didint u just put him on ignore list? You didint scam him from i read, and you know you didint, so just walk away.....
Somebody as unorganised and un-skilled as that simply dosent desevre to be paid anyway.
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Old Mar 20, 2006, 04:24 PM // 16:24   #40
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I love hate spam don't you all?

At least provide some reasons instead of saying "He is dumb" or "He is stupid"

None of you were there to know what actually happened
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